Jack Ditch ([info]revjack) wrote,
@ 2007-02-19 11:15:00
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I HEART FATHER CHRIS
I was just flipping through some of my old posts about evolution last night, reliving the frustrating nightmare of trying to talk to anti-creationists; then today I stumble onto this post from Father Chris, leaving me with the warm comforting sensation that someone else is out there presenting my views much more eloquently than I ever could, so I can just kick back and relax and link to them. :-D

http://chris.tessone.net/2007/02/19/the-authority-of-science/

Quoting Chris [

It's interesting to see how the roles of church and natural philosophy/science have shifted over the years. In the medieval church, one believed that God had particular attributes primarily because the hierarchy told one God had those attributes. Nowadays, the church's teaching authority plays some role in that, but we also put significant emphasis on experience of God. With science, on the other hand, we are increasingly moving in a direction where only specialists need concern themselves with replicating and validating results — the hoi polloi can simply accept these results on faith, because canonical science is so good at what it does.

Except there's plenty of evidence canonical science isn't quite that good.

...

I'm disappointed by the contempt in which many people hold skeptical religious conservatives. Many of those who hold science in high esteem are somewhat more informed, but to suggest that they have themselves done the work to validate, for instance, the theory of evolution and are not accepting these results on faith in the integrity of science is beyond disingenuous. Skeptics of evolution may have the bad luck of being on the wrong side of the data, but the problem lies in the authority they choose to accept — it doesn't make them stupid or fit for scorn. In fact, they are revealing a weakness in Western science that many on the other side have a hard time seeing.

] Well said, Father Chris.



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[info]logodaedaly
2007-02-19 07:35 pm UTC (link)
I please to aim. ;-)

I felt like I had to say something — all the self-righteousness was getting on my nerves. I never even learned the equations for friction and would have a hard time determining something as simple as acceleration due to gravity by myself; I doubt most people who aren't themselves scientists are much more advanced!

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[info]revjack
2007-02-19 08:22 pm UTC (link)
I doubt most scientists are much more advanced, outside of their field.

For me, one of the big differences between a "religious" and a "scientific" worldview is that the religious tend to at least be more self-aware when they're acting on faith; far too many of the scientific persuasion don't seem to get that faith in the theories of science is still faith, not science.

Anyway, this post from Boing Boing had left me jonesing for an anti-anti-creationist rant, so thank you big time for fulfilling that need. It always drives me nuts when I seem to approach my faith more skeptically and scientifically than the mainstream approaches science; at least I'm not a lone voice in the wilderness.

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[info]logodaedaly
2007-02-19 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that flowchart was one of the things that put me in a funk. Because are there religious people who act that way? Sure. But they're comparing those people on the right to practitioners of science within their own field on the left. The way most people interact with science isn't found anywhere on the flowchart at all — not to mention that "Get an idea" [all by oneself] isn't the first step on anyone's flowchart. Science doesn't arise sui generis any more than religion does.

Anyway, glad to back you up. ;-)

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